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SpyTalk, a podcast at the intersection of intelligence,

foreign policy, national security, and military operations

with Jeff Stein and Jean Miserve.

Hi, I'm Jeff Stein.

And I'm Jean Miserve.

We're devoting the entire SpyTalk podcast this week

to my interview with Leon Peneva.

He's had an extraordinarily broad and deep career in Washington,

first as a congressman,

later as a budget director in the White House,

chief of staff to President Clinton,

and of course CIA director and secretary of defense.

And you guys cover the globe in this conversation

from Afghanistan to Iran, China, Russia, cyber,

election interference, you talked about it all.

Yeah, there was a lot of stuff in that 55 minutes.

Of course, the pinnacle of his career

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