I've done this now over half a century. I was part of building bakery cafes in America between

Obampen, Pan, Panera. These were the dominant brands. How do you develop the long-term thinking

that you've brought to all these different concepts? I have an expression. I'm long-term greedy,

not short-term stupid. Now it seems so obvious, but how did you hit on this inside at the time?

I think that the most powerful skill that I have as a business person

and what I would challenge entrepreneurs to acquire is the skill of it.

Talk to me about the difficulties of running a business, the family costs, the social cost. When you're doing anything that takes powerful commitment,

that commitment owns you, you don't own it.

There's a very real personal price.

I've been married twice. It's not something I'm proud of.

Everything I believe in about business starts with three words.

What are you obsessed with lately?

My health, actually.

What does that mean for you to be obsessed with that?

Well, I'm 71, and I look at my kids. I look at my

relationships and there's so much to live for and so much to see and I really want to do everything I

can to give myself every opportunity to live and see how the world unfolds.

And how has that changed your behaviors?

I got more serious about it because I would say in my earlier years, 30s, 40s, and 50s,

I was probably more focused on work and relationships, family.

And as I gain perspective on it, if I'm ever going to do it, now is the time.

So I'm trying to literally work out every day in some serious way and really eat well, take the right medication supplements, anything I can

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