Hey everyone, Artie here, just with a quick plug before the show begins. We are just around the

corner from the release of Health Communism on October 18th. B and I are really thrilled for this

to be finally getting out there and for everyone to finally get their hands on it. So if you've

preordered the book already, thank you so much. If you haven't yet, pre-orders

help immensely for first-time authors like B and I. As of the release of this episode, you should

still be able to get a pre-order directly from Verso on verso.com for 40% off, which is probably

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local library, and follow us at death panel underscore. So for today's show, Artie, Phil, and I are

joined by friend of the panel and returning guest, Nate Holdren. Nate is the author of Injury Impoverished, Workplace Accidents, Capitalism, and Law in the Progressive Era,

and he is back today to talk about a recent piece that he wrote for a symposium at Harvard's Petrie Flom Center called Pandemic Nialism, Social Murder, and the Benality of Evil. Nate, welcome back to the death panel. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here. It's always so nice to have you here, Nate. And, you know, so full disclosure, all of us on this episode today, we're part of the symposium. Artie and I have a piece in it, as does Phil. So we're biased. Symposium, cabal. Yeah But, you know, despite that bias, I think this is still objectively a great series

of short essays that Chloe Reichel and Ben Barski curated, which are essentially all sort

of about health law and policy during the pandemic. There are pieces by Dan Berger, Stevie

Wilson, and the 9971 study group, Andrea Armstrong, Doron Dorfman, Martha Lincoln, Vincent Cheryl, and a bunch of other people with at the time of this recording, there are still more pieces to be published.

So we're here today to talk about Nate's piece in particular because it engages so well with some really important ideas about how power works,

myths about the ruling class, and rejects the idea that history always looks back with an

honest or accurate judgment about who is to blame for mass suffering, disability, death, and why.

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