Pamela Barnum: What We Can Learn About Deception from an Undercover Drug Enforcement Officer
The Unmistakable Creative Podcast
Srinivas Rao
4.8 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 19 February 2020
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Summary
Pamela Barnum is a former undercover drug enforcement officer, body language expert and TEDx speaker. Pamela has experienced living as an entirely different person, with a different name, in a different town, integrating with drug dealers and learning about their lives. Get an inside look into the world of undercover drug enforcement and find out what she learned from these experiences about trust and deception.
Visit Pamela's website at www.PamelaBarnum.com
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| 0:00.0 | I started out on the street a complete unknown in a brand new town with a new name living |
| 0:07.8 | as somebody completely different from months at a time and you get to know people and you start to work your way through. |
| 0:15.0 | So you're given your target list and you usually don't meet those targets right away because |
| 0:19.0 | you're meeting the people that work at the grocery store, you're meeting the people at the laundromat, |
| 0:23.9 | you're starting to, you're hanging out at the strip clubs |
| 0:26.2 | all the time, you're hanging out at the local bars, |
| 0:29.5 | and you're becoming known and you're getting to know people. And you really start to see things and you start to |
| 0:35.8 | identify what's going on. But the object of the job, at least how I interpreted my role, was not to go in and to get as many bodies or make as many arrests as possible. |
| 0:49.0 | It was to gather as much intel and if there are people that are dealing drugs and |
| 0:54.4 | breaking the law and committing violent assaults and all of the things that go along |
| 0:59.3 | with the culture that that's my job. |
| 1:03.2 | And I present the evidence, and I get the evidence, |
| 1:05.5 | and we always had to have more than one buy. |
| 1:08.8 | It's not like you do a buy and bust. |
| 1:11.1 | You did several to show a repeated history that that's how the person is earning their money. |
| 1:18.0 | It's not just, you know, I'm an attractive young woman in a bar and a guy gives me dope because he's got other motives. |
| 1:25.0 | That's not a drug dealer. That's a guy. |
| 1:27.0 | It's different. |
| 1:29.0 | I'm Srenny Rao and this is the unmistakable Creative Podcast where you get a window |
| 1:37.6 | into the stories and insights of the most innovative and creative minds who started |
| 1:41.6 | movements, built thriving businesses, written |
| 1:44.1 | best-selling books and created insanely interesting art. For more check out our 500 |
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