Hey everybody, this is Richard Ditch and welcome to the sports media podcast.

My producer is Patrick Antonetti.

Two guests this week, two great guests.

First up, Pam Oliver, the Fox NFL reporter.

I mean, one of the most accomplished NFL reporters of this generation or any generation.

I've had Pam on podcasts a number of times. She's always interesting. She's always honest.

And this was no different. We talked about what it's like to cover the NFL this year, got into Pam's significant health issues that she's had to sort of overcome and deal

with during her career, probably some stuff that you guys don't know about.

And she just sort of gives an interesting, an interesting examination into a very, very high

profile job, which is obviously a Fox Seidline NFL reporter job.

She's followed by Lindsay Darkangelo. She is the co-author of a new book, Hail Mary,

the Rise and Fall of the National Women's Football League. And we discuss howsay came upon the story and the challenge and fulfillment

of unearthing something fascinating about an athlete or a league from the past or a previous era

and that's what um that's what lindsay did it's uh it's a really interesting book about book about something I really did not know much about.

I had, if I had heard in the National Women's Football League, maybe I'd heard of it barely.

But these women were way ahead of their time in terms of what they were doing. And even if there

were owners and others, and certainly in the media coverage of

the time, which Lindsay and I talk about, even if those types thought of it as a gimmick, the women

did not. The women were athletes and took this seriously. So an interesting conversation with

Lindsay, and we do get into some modern day stuff about women's sports. Lindsay is a great

women's basketball writer.

Both of us obviously are big fans of college women's basketball in the WNBA.

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