Blessed be listeners, Jinx Monsoon here with another episode of High Jinx with Jinx Monsoon.

Today, our guest is prolific author and wonderful witch lady Pam Grossman,

who's going to tell us all about what it's like to be a modern day witch in a modern day world.

Hunker down and sink your teeth into some new High Jinx.

Hello everyone, I'm Jinx Monsoon, and welcome to High Jinx, a podcast where I,

an internationally tolerated drag superstar, get to interview compelling and fascinating people

about how they became who they are and why they do what they do. Today, we are joined by author,

curator and podcast host Pam Grossman. Hi, Pam. Hi, Jinx. Perfect. Hi, how are you doing?

I am spectacular. I'm so happy to be talking to you. Yes, our friendship began. Oh my gosh,

it must have been something like two or three years ago when you had me as a guest on

your podcast, the Witch Wave podcast. And I think that was the first time my drag and which self

got to collide publicly in an accessible forum for other people to listen to. And since then,

it's just been all witch all the time with me. Yes, I am so honored that I got to help you come

out of the broom closet. So thank you for trusting me with that. It was a great conversation.

What a great phrase. I'm going to be using that all the time now. As RuPaul would say,

consider that stolen. Well, you'll be in keeping with the tradition because I stole it from someone

else, I'm sure. Yes. So as I mentioned, you are an author, a curator, a podcast host, and also a

practicing witch. And I've brought up witchcraft here and there on this podcast already. And it's one

of those things where I always, I say what witchcraft means to me. And then I have this innate fear

that someone in the witch community will hear my description of witchcraft and be like,

Jake doesn't know what she's talking about. I just gave her an old hag voice. Jake doesn't know

what she's talking about. That's a good like crone witch voice. That's always my fear. But that's

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