Now, I've been meaning to do this interview for a very long time. He's one of the best

Palestinian legal scholars that we have. He's been a crucial voice all the way through the

genocide. I'm one of many who's depended on his expertise. That's my cat walking press because

he's so excited about the interview. This is the brilliant Nima Soltani, who is a, as I say,

a Palestinian legal scholar and also a reader in public law at Soros University, chief editor of the Parsine Yearbook of International Law. Many of our also hats, which he's spinning on his head. Nima, it's great to be able to speak to you and to talk. We're going to have a really interesting talk about the genocide, about the legal aspects of it, about angles which haven't

been really touched upon, certainly the mainstream media. So thanks for joining us. So it's a huge

honour. Thank you so much for having me and for the kind of introduction. I just want to start

with that word genocide. And the refusal, I suppose, of so many to use the word genocide,

including some who will, I don't know, will perhaps rather performatively say critical things

about the abomination, which Israel is inflicting on the Palestinian people,

and they won't even use abomination, as you be clear there. Kenneth Roth, the former executive

directive of human rights, which actually wrote a column this week about the reluctance to use

the term genocide and gave his own reasons. Just as a, you know, as a legal scholar, I guess,

what's your take on that? Why? Why is there this reluctance?

You know, I mean, some might, you know, think of some obvious elements, but just what's your

general take, genocide and why there's that avoidance? Well, I think we need to go back beyond the question of genocide,

to a kind of decades-long problem with the human rights discourse,

as well as in legal discourse,

and more generally, obviously, in the political and the media discourse

with respect to Israel, which is the lack of naming.

We are told repeatedly when it comes to human rights advocacy that at least there's naming and shaming,

even if there's no enforcement or actual accountability.

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