I am there on WNYC with us now, Rami Kuri, Palestinian-American journalist and columnist

with 50 years experience in the Middle East and a senior public policy fellow at the American

University of Beirut among his recent articles, One in July on Al Jazeera, called Believe

it or not, just as will prevail in Palestine. Rami always goes to have you welcome back to

WNYC. Thank you, Brian. I'm happy to be back and I'm glad to see that you're still dealing

with these tough issues in a fair and reasonable way. Thank you for saying so. First, as we

began early on with Dan Goldman on the suffering among Israelis right now, how would you describe

what civilians in Gaza are experiencing at this time? Well, they're experiencing a total

living hell. It's you can just turn on any social media and any the mainstream American

TV don't cover that well. MSNBC is a little bit better, but Gorgesera English on the

on the web and you can see much better coverage, but it's just an extraordinary situation of

2.2 million Palestinians totally enclosed. They can't go anywhere. They're helpless. They

don't have any real self-defense mechanism or shelters. And the Israelis have the strong

strongest army in the region, I think seven strongest in the world. And they're unleashing

massive, you know, attacks and destruction of homes and schools and hospitals. So it's

happened before. It just it's just hard to even to describe the intensity of the attack

and the suffering, the intensity of the suffering is commensurate with the inability of this

kind of action. And this kind of didn't tit for tat between Hamas and Israel to achieve anything

other than to perpetuate this suffering, which has now been tightened seriously on the Israeli

side for the first time with the Israeli suffering. I think it's 800 or 900, I don't know what the

exact figure is. This is extraordinarily important and also sad for the Israelis to have so many

people killed. But it does show the inevitability that this cycle will only expand. And the thing

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