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Palestine Pt. 2: Justice for Some with Noura Erakat

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🗓️ 23 November 2023

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

For those of us living in the United States, today — what we call Thanksgiving — is a very significant holiday because, for some of us at least, it's a day to recognize and remember the violent, genocidal, settler-colonial history of the land we live on. Our lives here in North America are predicated on a history and a pattern that is repeating itself as we speak, most notably in occupied Palestine, where we are witnessing what feels like the culmination of a decades-long ethnic cleansing campaign against the Indigenous population of Palestine by the forces of Zionism, the state of Israel, and, by the reigning global hegemon, the United States. 

We've already covered some of the history that led us to this point in Part 1 of our ongoing series on Palestine with Sumaya Awad, and on today's show, we're going to be exploring a different angle, outlining the history and context of the formation of the state of Israel, how Palestinians resisted Israeli occupation from before the state was even created, and how they continued to resist throughout the disingenuously named "peace" process that culminated with the Oslo Accords. As we'll see, this process was never intended to bring a lasting peace to the region, but was intended to cement in the status quo of Israeli supremacy and the ongoing subjugation of Palestinians.

To talk about this we've brought on Noura Erakat, Associate Professor at Rutgers University in the department of Africana Studies and the program of Criminal Justice and author of Justice For Some: Law and the Question of Palestine. From the Great Arab Revolt in 1936 to the second Intifada at the start of this century, and up to Operation Al-Aqsa Flood on October 7th, in this conversation we explore the history of Palestinian resistance to Israeli occupation, the so-called peace process, the betrayal of the so-called two-state solution, where Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign is headed, and what it's up against.

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0:00.0

The violence of colonialism, its destructive nature, the fact that it acts with a double-edged sword

0:28.4

of claiming the mantle of victimhood and righteousness as it meets out cruel, cruel unfettered

0:37.4

violence with this advanced military might, I think that it's become apparent to a lot of people

0:44.3

vividly beyond the theoretical, you know, as a scholar of what we study vividly, just how violent

0:52.6

colonialism is, just how alive colonialism is is, I think, making a lot of people realize

1:00.1

they too are Palestinian. You are listening to upstream, upstream, upstream, a podcast of documentaries

1:09.6

and conversations that invites you to unlearn everything you thought you knew about economics.

1:16.0

I'm Dela Duncan and I'm Robert Raymond. For those of us living in the United States,

1:21.2

today what we call Thanksgiving is a very significant holiday because for some of us at least,

1:27.7

it's a day to recognize and remember the violent genocidal settler colonial history of the land

1:34.2

we live on. Our lives here in North America are predicated on a history and a pattern that is

1:41.1

repeating itself as we speak, most notably in occupied Palestine, where we are witnessing what

1:47.7

feels like the culmination of a decade's long ethnic cleansing campaign against the indigenous

1:53.4

population of Palestine by the forces of Zionism, the state of Israel and the reigning global

1:59.7

Hegemon, the United States. We've already covered some of the history that led us to this point

2:06.1

in part one of our ongoing series on Palestine with Sumea Awad and on today's show, we're going

2:12.9

to be exploring a different angle, outlining the history and context of the formation of the

2:19.0

state of Israel, how Palestinians resisted Israeli occupation from before the state was even

2:25.5

created, and how they continued to resist throughout the disingenuously named peace process

2:32.0

that culminated with the Oslo Accords. As we'll see, this process was never intended to bring a

2:38.8

lasting peace to the region, but was intended to cement in the status quo of Israeli supremacy

2:45.5

and the ongoing subjugation of Palestinians. To talk about all this, we've brought on Nora

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