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The Documentary Podcast

Pakistan, Partition and the Present - Part One

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Society & Culture, Documentary

4.32.7K Ratings

🗓️ 8 August 2017

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

The mass migration of 1947 and what that version of events says about the country now. In Pakistan they are racing against time to record the memories of those who witnessed Partition: people like Syed Afzal Haider, now in his late 80s, who recalls, as a 15-year-old, creeping through the deserted streets of Lahore and watching dogs sniffing around the scattered corpses.

Hundreds of thousands died in 1947 as Muslims were driven across the partition line into the newly created Pakistan, and Hindus and Sikhs were forced in the opposite direction.

Taha Shaheen and Fakhra Hassan are making sure the stories of 1947 are not forgotten. They are collecting the testimonies of people who remember the carnage. Taha’s grandmother was driven out of her village in the Punjab and could only watch as her mother and brother were cut to pieces on the journey to Pakistan. Fakhra met a man who helped set fire to Sikh houses in Lahore. He was seven years old at the time.

But young Pakistanis learn only a partial version of these events, as Shahzeb discovers at a government school in the walled city of Lahore, a school that once carried the name of a local Sikh ruler. The 14-year-olds in the history class are taught that Muslims were the victims of Partition. There’s no mention of the atrocities committed by Muslim mobs against Sikh and Hindus.

Shahzeb is disappointed by what he hears. How, he asks, can Pakistanis learn to be tolerant of people of different faiths, if history is distorted in this way?

One answer may be the Partition Museum, which will open soon in Lahore, and which will put the stories of Partition on public display. Aaliyah Tayyebi of the Citizens Archive of Pakistan believes this will encourage a true understanding of why Pakistan was created and how it can learn to live at peace with itself and its neighbours.

(Photo: Shahzeb Jillani at Lahore station, Pakistan)

Transcript

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0:00.0

Thanks for downloading this world service podcast. My name's Tim Manzel and I'm the

0:06.4

producer of this program. It's actually the first of two programs that I've made

0:10.0

with Shazeb Jalani about Pakistan 70 years after partition.

0:15.8

What's very interesting I think is the number of organizations in Pakistan that are now working

0:20.6

to record memories of the people who endured those very dramatic

0:26.3

horrifying months in 1947 because of course it won't be too long before there aren't any eyewitnesses left at all.

0:35.6

I'd like you to meet Phakra Hassan. She has strong opinions about one kind of place

0:41.6

in particular.

0:48.0

Now, Farra, you don't really like train stations, do you? No, I don't. I have a phobia of railway stations and rail station platforms.

0:55.0

Yes.

0:56.0

Because of what you have learned what happened here?

0:59.0

Yes, it's a place where a lot of bloodshed happened and with very, very few stories of solidarity.

1:05.0

So there is really nothing good about railway stations that I have to say.

1:11.0

Fakhla's been interviewing people for a US-based oral history project. the And this first of two programs from Pakistan for the BBC World Service, I'm going to find

1:25.1

out what Pakistanis really know about the dramatic events which created their country,

1:30.4

and what that knowledge reveals about this country today.

1:33.0

Welcome to Pakistan, partition and the present.

1:37.0

If we were here 70 years ago, what would we see or here?

1:45.0

You see families scattered on the platform with their belongings,

1:49.0

desperate to get on the trains,

1:51.0

trains coming in, dripping with blood, dead bodies on the

1:55.1

platform, animals on the platform also, gnawing at the bodies of people who are

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