Pakistan child marriage, I'm With Her, Sex bias in natural history museums

Woman's Hour

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🗓️ 28 May 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Despite opposition from clerics in Pakistan, a bill banning child marriage in Pakistan’s capital city, Islamabad, has recently been passed by the National Assembly and awaits the signature of the President. Azadeh Moshiri, BBC Pakistan correspondent and Senator Sherry Rehman, who has spent more than 7 years campaigning to get it through, join Kylie Pentelow.

The American folk trio I’m With Her have routinely taken time out from their individual careers to dream up songs together. On their long-awaited second album Wild and Clear and Blue, they sing about reaching into the past, navigating a chaotic present, and bravely moving forward into the unknown. They join Kylie in the studio.

From displays to collections, the lack of female specimens at natural history museums shows a clear gender bias -- that's according to Assistant Director of the Museum of Zoology at the University of Cambridge Jack Ashby. Jack has written about this as part of his new book, and he joins Kylie to tell us more.

Metro journalist Alice Giddings has been spat on, not once, but twice, as she was out jogging on the streets of west London. Keen to find out other women's experiences, she began an investigation, in partnership with the organisation Women's Running, to discover other women's experiences. She joins Kylie.

Madeline Potter grew up in a Roma family in post-communist Romania. She’s traced the history and stories of her community, as well as her own experiences and treatment across continental Europe and the UK in her book, The Roma: A Travelling History.

Presenter: Kylie Pentelow Producer: Emma Pearce

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0:00.0	Hello, it's Lucy Worsley here and we're back with a brand new series of ladies swindlers.
0:07.5	Promise never to mention a word of what is going on.
0:10.1	Join me and my all-female team of detectives as we revisit the audacious crimes of women trying to make it in a world made for men.
0:19.5	This is a story of working class women trying to get by in a world made for men. This is a story of working-class women trying to get by.
0:24.4	This is survival.
0:25.3	Join me for the second season of Lady Swindlers, where true crime meets history with a twist.
0:31.4	Listen first on BBC Sounds.
0:35.3	Hello, this is Kylie Pentelow and you're listening to the Woman's Hour podcast. Hello and welcome to the programme. Coming up today, imagine being out for a run when out of nowhere someone spits at you. That's what happened twice to one woman who will join me to tell me her story and how she's now leading a campaign to expose this behaviour.
0:57.0	She says women she's spoken to have been forced to change the way they exercise
1:01.7	because of the fear of it happening again.
1:04.4	We'd like to hear from you if you have experienced anything like this.
1:08.8	You can text the programme.
1:10.3	The number is 84844. On social media,
1:14.0	we're at BBC Women's Hour and you can email us through our website or you can send us a WhatsApp
1:18.9	message or a voice note. The number for that is 0-3-700-100-444. Now also coming up today, from big tusks to huge antlers, have you ever thought about how the
1:33.1	animals you're looking at in museums are mostly male? We'll be finding out about the impact of lack
1:39.9	of female specimens and what it means for our perception of nature and also for research.
1:45.8	Plus we'll have some wonderful live music in the studio from the award-winning American folk trio.
1:51.9	I'm with her.
1:53.5	But first, I can bring you the news that despite opposition from clerics in Pakistan,
1:58.8	a bill banning child marriage in the country's capital city, Islamabad,
2:03.0	has been passed by the National Assembly. Now, it still awaits the signature of President
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