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Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast from BBC History Magazine, Britain's best-selling history magazine. I'm Ellie Cawthorne.

Hans Holbein the youngest paintings were so realistic that when people saw his life-size mural of Henry VIII at Whitehall Palace, they jumped with fright, thinking that the king was in the room with them.

For today's podcast, our sub-editor Riannon Davies spoke to Franny Moyle,

who's released a new book exploring the mesmerising artworks that Holbein created,

as well as the turbulent times he lived through.

So my first question is a really simple, back-to-basics one,

and it is who was Hans Holbein and what period did he live in?

So Hans Holbein, the younger, was born in 1497 and he died in 1543. So he was living at a time which I suppose most historians would now call the sort of early modern period. And he was really one of the most celebrated, if not the most celebrated artist in Northern Europe during his lifetime, who traveled from his homeland on the continent

to become Henry the Eighth's court painter, the King's painter.

And it is really through Holbein's eyes, I think, that we see Henry the Eighth's court today.

All those pictures of Henry the Eighth.

If one imagines the king, it's probably Holbein's depiction of him that will pop into your

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