Hi, I'm Otto. Welcome to Erin Sarah's podcast.

Okay, Vienna Farron, she was my discovery. Sarah is a late bandwagon jumper. Um, I think

our mom sent her account to me first. She blew me away in this episode. I mean, first

of all, we had to cut out so much shit because we started to open up so deeply about every

single wound and cut that we've ever had in our entire life emotionally. And I had to put

a muzzle on Sarah. She was, couldn't keep her trap shut. Um, I mean, when you have someone

like her on and you're, she has a family therapist, you inevitably go there. And then as usual,

you silence me. Mm-hmm. But I do think that she would be, I'm very interested in having her

be our couple's therapist. You're, you're, uh, because I think we need to go to couples therapy.

And I think she made you for you in Simon, because I mean, clearly like you guys need another

party. Why do we need another one? Well, no, no, I just feel like you're difficult. Oh, me?

Yeah. My relationship for no reason. I just feel like you are like Simon is easy and you're

difficult. Anyways, let's introduce. Okay. So you're saying I need the second therapist by

myself. Yes. Bye. Okay. So I think I say anyway, let's get to Vienna. Vienna is amazing.

She's a licensed family and marriage therapist. She's also an author, her notebook. We talk a lot

about it is fascinating. It's called the origins of you. How breaking family patterns can liberate

the way that we live and love. She really breaks it down. Oh, my God. Just when you think like,

oh, a therapist, like I don't need to listen to this episode. Yes, you do. There are so many takeaways

in this episode. We cover, well, and she's also available to hire as a therapist. So I'm,

I don't know if I want to get just like hopes up about that because she seems very popular.

Well, I'm just saying. Yeah. Anyway, the episode is great and Sarah actually doesn't cry.

No. No. Hi. Hi, Vienna. How are you? I'm good. How are you two?

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