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This is Dana Stevens, Slate's movie critic,

here with a Slate Spoiler Special podcast on Michael Bay's Pain and Gain.

And joining me in the Slate studio is Katie Rich.

Hi, Katie.

Hi.

You are the editor-in-chief of CinemaBend.com.

And you also co-host a podcast?

Yeah, the Operation Keno podcast, which is on iTunes like this one.

And you do a weekly movie discussion, basically.

Yeah, we do two episodes. There's one that's about broader topics and then one that's a review. And we also reviewed pain and gain.

You talked about pain and gain already, and you had a consensus that everybody liked it, right?

Yeah, I mean, not everyone is 100% on board with everything, but we were all pretty into it.

And we, you know, we reviewed Transformers three, two years ago and all hated it. So it's a been, that was a fun turnaround. You were surprised by your affection for this movie. Yeah, definitely. I think like a lot of people, Michael Bay has

worn me out, especially with the Transformers movies. And I think I went into this wanting it to

be a redemption for him. And then when that happened to some degree, I was really happy about that.

Yeah, I feel like a lot of critics are talking about this as this big Michael Bay rejection, which to me makes me feel like he earned it by going so far down the road of making just unbearable movies that now that he's made something that has a little

bit of life to it, people are just patting him on the head a little bit, a little bit too hard

for my taste. So you will get some pushback, although I did like pain and gain more than I thought.

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