Welcome to the Dispatch podcast. I'm your host Sarah Isger joined as always by Steve Hayes,

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to this podcast so you never miss an episode. Today we're going to talk about events in

Lafayette Park. Will we look back on that as a turning point? And I'll push David and

Jonah on why this moment feels so different from just six years ago and the polling data

that backs that up. We'll get into police reform proposals from both sides of the aisle.

Jonah of course will air his grievances with the hashtag defund the police.

And a little on our public sector unions and then we will make a total hash of our lighter

segment at the end. Maybe it's about historical mistakes or it was supposed to be... oh well.

Let's dive in. Steve, I want to talk about Lafayette Park again. The Washington Post put out a

12 minute video of their sort of timetable of what went on in Lafayette Park that day,

uh, dispelling some of the misinformation, but also just really including sort of a broader look.

They had this wonderful graphic where each camera shot they then showed on a map so that you

could see where the camera shot was from. It was well done. Is Lafayette Park still the turning point

of this event? Yeah, I think it's a problem for two main reasons. One because what we saw

the police and law enforcement were broadly due there. And two, the complete unraveling of the

White House narrative. What we saw from the police, you know, as the Washington Post video depicts

very specifically and I agree with you, it's a terrific piece of journalism really sort of

next level. I encourage everybody to look at it. You know, they show attorney general bar chairman

of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Milley in the area before there is this push on what was largely

a peaceful protest. I think the most egregious thing to have happened was one protestor who was

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