I think it's the most tactically skilled violent non-state actor operating in the world.

You know, many of their operatives right now are probably running scare.

That's exactly the type of psychological fear the Israelis are hoping to have here.

That's just kind of like icing on the cake for Massad to sit back and watch these guys. of psychological fear the Israelis are hoping to have here.

That's just kind of like icing on the cake for Massad to sit back and watch these guys now,

try to figure out who may be the mold.

Hey, welcome back to the Modern War Institute podcast.

Brought to you with the generous support of the West Point Class of 1974.

I'm John Amble. And on this episode, I'm joined by Colin Clark, Director of Research at the Sufong Group and a senior research fellow at the Sufant

Center. He is a scholar who specializes in non-state terrorist and insurgent groups, groups like

Hezbollah. So in several thousand pagers belonging to Hezbollah members suddenly

exploded in what is assumed to be an Israeli intelligence operation recently, I was eager to hear

his insights. There are big and important questions surrounding this operation to explore,

not just what happened and how, but also why and why now? Is this just a particularly

striking incident in an ongoing shadow war between Israel and Hezbollah, or is it potentially

a shaping operation ahead of an escalation? How should we contextualize the pejor attack and

the heightened cross-border strikes from both sides that have followed it alongside Israel's

war against Hamas and Gaza.

And how is Hezbollah likely to respond to such a glaring failure in its operational

security?

We explore those questions and more in this episode.

Before we get to it though, a couple quick things.

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