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Welcome in to Behind Enemy Lines, a collaboration between the Paul Farrington show and the Packaday podcast.

Paul joined by Robert Ziggy Ziegler up at Harvard University and Andy Herman of the Packaday podcast to react to week 14 of the NFC North, the Packers.

Just a monster, monster win for you guys, Andy. Congratulations.

Wish I could say I was, I was happy. Well, I'm happy for you. For the Packers, it's kind of, you know, same old, same old. Success abounding for them.

Chicago, so close. You're almost, it feels like they had a real opportunity there to kind of break away and start actually

thinking about the one seat a little seriously.

And then the Vikings, 31-0, you know, you just don't know what comes with the Minnesota

Vikings at this point in time.

Nice to see JJ bounce back.

We'll get into all of it here.

I do just want to say,

first off, Andy, do you respect the Chicago Bears a little bit more after this week?

I respected them before the game. So to me, nothing really changed. In fact, it kind of reconfirmed what I thought is that they're going to be a good team. They're well coached. They're going to be a pain to play. I still think Caleb Williams to some extent is holding them back and just being, he's not quite there from a traditional pocket passing quarterback quite yet. That's okay. He's in year two. It's year one in Ben Johnson. He's going to get better. But I think right now he's not quite there yet.

And then defensively, they just don't have pass rush. Those were the two things that had to blitz Jordan Love a lot in that game. And when they blitz Jordan Love, he completely tore him apart. So everything else was as advertised and was as expected. They fought even when they were down, you know, two scores and came back and tied that game. and even when they were driving down at the end of that game,

and Ben Johnson's basically confirmed this, you knew they were going to go for two if they scored a touchdown. And I wanted, especially with, you know, the creativity of Ben Johnson. You know, he had something up his sleeve in that two-point conversion. So I was very much hoping it did not get to a game on the line, win or lose, two-point conversion. And that's what it would have been if they got in the end zone there. Thankfully, Kishan Nixon stopped it. But no, they kind of confirmed exactly where I thought they were. They're a good team. You're not going to want to play them. And I think there's still a lot of room for growth for them as well. Yes, Caleb rolled out on that fourth and one.

You know, the camera, you couldn't... going to want to play them. And I think there's still a lot of room for growth for them as well.

Yes, Caleb rolled out on that fourth and one. You know, the camera you couldn't see in the end zone as he started his throwing motion. And I think at least me, I was like, oh, he's got to have someone wide open. Like it just felt like one of those plays where, you know, someone leaked out a tight end. and I have to imagine that you and the rest of Packer Nation watching that on TV breathe a pretty big sigh of relief when you saw Nixon back there. I don't know if you

guys know the story on this or if you've been following it, but Nixon was in man coverage on

DJ Moore. DJ Moore comes across the formation through the play, and Nixon is on DJ

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