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Join alongside Tim in Green Bay here to talk about this brutal loss, 41 to 24 to the Baltimore Ravens at Lambeau Field. The eyes are getting heavy.

We're not quilled up here, Tim, battling whatever the heck is. I got brought into my house for the

holiday season here. And yeah, I don't know how long will last this evening. We'll do the best we can.

So diving into some of the important numbers,

I think I'd sent that out earlier. The middle eight, the Packers actually won the middle

eight, right? So the Ravens win 41, 24, the Packers won the middle eight. I think I tweeted it out.

This is that Bob Euker moment where I say, I can't find it the hell with it.

I don't worry nobody's listening anyway. Throw it on loop there, Bob. Throw it on loop. So you win the middle eight. Yeah, when the middle eight, 10 to 7. It was just outside of the middle eight, but you guys know the rules there, right? If you're within a minute or two, and it's the opening drive of the second half, you kind of count it. Turnover, differential. Obviously, you lost that pretty handily here, Tim, as you had one fumble you lost, which I don't mean to laugh, but when that ball hit Malik Willis in the face, me and Mandy, I looked at Mandy, she put her head down. I looked back at the TV and I looked back over and she was grinning. I was kind of half grin. We just started laughing. It's like, you guys are better than me. I was saying things that my mother wouldn't be proud of when that happened. This team is just running out of gas. And I got to be real with you guys. I'm going to be 100% honest here, okay? I'm watching this game, and Mandy can attest to this. I usually get a little bit, when I get, when I get upset, angry, whatever, watching a ball game, I get a little quiet. And I'm like trying to, you know, just kind of, what's the answer here? What's the answer to the problem, right? What is going wrong?

How do you fix it?

Are we doing that?

Or we just play calling out of emotion?

Or we, you know, are the veterans step, all that stuff, right?

I was comfortable to not like, this looks like a team that's just, they're just out of gas.

And you see multiple players carded off again

tonight and malik willis played his ass off what a great quarterback that dude is going to be for

somebody um he goes you know down the field and get you back in the game and then lo and behold

he throws that out route grabs the shoulder and's like, you got to be kidding me.

Again, it's just, Tim, as soon as you shift gears, like, okay, we're going to get over the hump right here. Yeah. You know, you hear that. You know what I mean? You can't find them, ground them, right? And you had to go back down to gear. And then Clayton Toon comes in, and God love his little heart. he hits Bowmilton right between the numbers and it bounces to a defender.

I'm just like, I don't, I don't have any answers. This is just, uh, it was crazy too is we mentioned all that. And we didn't even talk about the real reason you lost this game. And it was a run defense, you know, um, they ran the ball down your throat. I think I had messaged to you guys during the game. I said it a thousand times in my living room very calmly, but I just said, you're just not good enough in the trenches on both sides of the ball, but you know, you've seen it on defense tonight, man, you're just not good enough in the trenches. And going into this game, Tim, we did talk about in the pregame show. They have the best

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