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This is the Pack a Day podcast.

Okay. This is the Pack-A-Day podcast. What is up, everybody?

Welcome into an all-new episode of the Pack-A-Poday podcast.

I'm your host, Andy Herman.

You can follow me on Twitter at Andy Herman NFL.

It is not just any Pack-A-Pod-A podcast, though.

It is a Mike Wall Pack-A-Pack-D-A podcast.

You can find Mike on Twitter at Mike Wall-. Mike, it is fantastic to have you back. How the heck have you been? Excuse me. I'm doing great, Andy. Thanks for asking. I'm happy to have you back, as always. It is always illuminating for me to talk ball with you. I have an interesting way to start today's conversation.

So let me start here.

The narrative coming out of this one was maybe, you know,

Packers didn't play very well,

but they came away with the win,

still very sloppy, a win to win, somewhere in that range. As a player uh did you care about quality of victory

or was a win a win and then has that changed uh as you've become more of uh fan slash analyst is it

different when you watch your son play soccer for instance like where do you come out on the

quality of victory

or is they win a win? Yeah, that's wow. Okay. So you, so you never apologize for winning

and then national football because it's so difficult. You never apologize for winning. And you

know that there's games where you didn't play well and you've still won and you're very

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