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Welcome back to an all new episode of the Pack of a Day podcast.

I'm your host, Andy Herman.

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I'm joined once again by the great Mike Wall.

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Mike, it is fantastic to be back chatting with you. I know we missed last week with the bye week, but we have a lot to catch up on today. How the heck have you been, my friend? All is good. I think it dropped like 10 degrees Celsius over here in Frankfurt. So it's like it's not shorts wearing time anymore, but I'm still wearing shorts. So I'm going to keep up the good fight, Andy, and always the pleasure to talking football with you. Hey, you've got that Green Bay blood in you. So you can wear shorts until it's, you know, very, very cold at this point. You've got the, you've got the credibility after living in Green Bay for a while. So hopefully that all works out for you. It is great to be back chatting. Like I said, I know we missed last week.

I do want to just quickly touch base on. I know it seems like seven years ago now, but Packers Lions, just kind of really quick. Your takeaways from that game, what went wrong

and how, you know, kind of Detroit just basically handled the Green Bay in that game.

Well, I thought the defense did their job. You really, I think the stats are

elusive right now because it was it actually was seven years ago. But I think the pack has held

him like 17 points on defense. I mean, they played, they played really well. And, you know,

as good as the Detroit offensive offenses and how, how dynamic it is under Ben Johnson, you know, obviously the weather played a huge part in kind of limiting what they were able to do. I just thought the defense played really well. The offense did not. It's always perplexing when, you know, you lose your best player. They lose Hutchinson. I know they just brought Z. Smith in, but he's not going to, he didn't play against us, but they lose Hutchinson. And McNeil's a really good player, and he showed up a couple times because we had to switch people around the offensive line. But it's always perplexing to me when they lose, like, the one person that you have to game plan against that you don't have more success. And I guess the second part of that is we knew going into the game that Detroit is really going to be all about stopping the run. Josh Jacobs, I thought, played really well. And then it's another one of those games where you're like, let's go ahead and follow through with that voice. We don't need to put the rock up that many times. I think it was 42 times. They dropped back in a rainy game. It just made a lot sense. I don't think it's a good formula for success. That's just, you know, my personal opinion

as a former fat guy. No, and they were running the ball very, very well. I'm sure that obviously once you have the pick six, you know, so they're in two minute mode. You get the pick six. Then they get the ball back and they're still sort of in that like 40 second mode trying to do something they get the

ball back again and they're down what 24 3 at that point so I'm sure

it was but remember it was 10 but it was 10 3 so so in the first 20 plays they get down to where

they want to go and they don't they don't they don't finish right but from play 20 to play

like play 21 to play 42 they ran the ball like six times

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