imagine being able to do thrusters and breathe like you're going for a walk.

And it doesn't necessarily mean you have to feel like you'll still have muscular fatigue

from moving weight up overhead, but metabolically your system views it as the same where you're

bringing in oxygen and it's calm. And that was powerful because we could take each individual

athlete, put them on the assault bike and say, okay, you use oxygen to this hurry.

Hello and welcome to Persubing Health. I'm Dr. Julie Fouche, family physician and former

CrossFit Games athlete. Here I bring you information and inspiration to help bridge the gap between

fitness and medicine and support your journey toward your health yourself. In this episode,

I share a conversation with Max, Finkbiner, and Kate Keynes of ticker training and I first met the

two of them several years ago because they'd started doing something very innovative at their

affiliate CrossFit Treetown in Ann Arbor, Michigan. They were using portable metabolic analyzers.

Imagine wearing a big face mask and a backpack while you're doing your CrossFit workouts.

And they use these to test their athletes and tailor their programming intensity to each individual

in order to maximize their efficiency in each energy system. Their members bought in and trusted

them with this experiment. And since they have experienced incredible results, including more

efficient movement, improved performance, less inflammation, less aches and pains and injuries,

and improved metabolic function, giving them a greater hedge against chronic disease.

They have further honed and shared their methodology to affiliates and trainers across the

country. And they've made their methods, philosophy and training programs available to athletes

around the world with remote testing and assessments and programming. So I hope you enjoy hearing

from Max and Kate about their ticker approach as much as I have. I'm always excited about how

there are more ways we can make our time spent training more efficient and effective for each

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