So I knew that this was a big deal, Pablo, when I mentioned earlier today to Chris Sims that I was going to be talking to Pablo Torre for PFTPM.

And Sims was like, oh, like, he'd talk to you.

So you know you've made it when Chris Sims is actually surprised that the person involved

would lower himself or herself to speak to me.

So you have that going for you, which is nice.

I should have added so many more things to my rider.

I wanted my skull.

I wanted my spittoon.

I wanted, frankly, I wanted the best psychedelics you had to offer.

And I instead just said, sure, a real oversight by me. There are many ways a podcast can begin, often with a formal introduction,

Pablo Torre of Pablo Tori, of Pablo Tori finds out, joining us here on PFTPM, or you just cut

right into the middle of a conversation about nicotine pouches and smokeless tobacco, which apparently works because one million people presumably can't be wrong.

All right.

We've got so much to get to and we have limited time.

And I could do 184 minutes on this topic, just like Joe Rogan and Aaron Rogers did last week.

I just want to start with the moment that this Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson Odyssey

caught your eye.

What was the thing that made you say, oh, there's something?

It was the Super Bowl.

And it was a commercial in particular.

The Dunkin' Donuts commercial, it's Ben Affleck, it's Matt Damon, it's a zillion celebrities.

It's Bill Belichick. And wait a minute, is that who I think it is?

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