Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show with your host, Eric Mettaxas.

Hey there, folks. It's the Eric Metaxis show. We're at the NR-R-B, and I get to interview all kinds of people.

For example, right now, I'm interviewing someone whose last name is pronounced differently than you would think.

His last name is Strawn, but it looks like it would be Strachan.

S-T-R-A-C-H-N.

Owen Strawn, please make a note of it.

He's a friend and he has a new book out called Christianity and Wokeness,

how the social justice movement is hijacking the gospel and the way to stop it, yada, yada.

Owen Strawn, welcome to my program. Thank you, Eric. We have a long history with my last name. The last time you tried to pronounce it, it became a video on Twitter. Oh, stop it. I didn't see that. Did I see that? No, you said Strachan. Strachan. And then I tried to correct you. I know. I'm sorry about that. But listen, I really do

think I go out of my way, not just to pronounce things correctly, but to spell them correctly,

because I want my audience to look you up. Thank you. The book is Christianity and Wokeness.

Now let's start, I'm a writer and I care about words. The word wokeness is a hideous neologism, but we're at a point

where we have to use these hideous words. So when you talk about Christianity and

awokeness and the social justice movement, we all know what you mean. But why did you write this

book? A lot of people are talking about these kinds of things. And

before you answer that question, tell my audience who you are, what you're doing right now.

Yeah, so I'm a provost and research professor of theology at Grace Bible Theological Seminary in

Conway, Arkansas. So that's what I do for a living. So I train pastors, Baptist pastors, in Arkansas. Love doing that. And as part of the

overflow of that work, I wanted to try to respond to this ideology we call wokeness, because

wokeness is advancing. It's imperial in our public square. It's imperial in the church. And it takes no

prisoners. Basically, wokeness is the idea that you and I, all people, need to wake up to the nature of racial

injustice in America, and then we need to wake up furthermore and advance social justice

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