Hello, I'm Alva, and I'm Rachel, and you're listening to The New States and Podcast.

On today's episode we're joined by Tim Durant to discuss the latest developments in the

Owen Paterson case and the Parliamentary Standards Committee, and I ask Rachel what Boris Johnson

gets wrong about the classics.

So Anush and Steven are both away on holiday, so I'm very happy to be joined by Rachel

Kahnliff, our online editor.

Hello, how's it be here?

I'm making the New States and Podcast debut, and we're joined by a very special guest,

Tim Durant, from our friends at the Institute for Government, the IFG. Welcome Tim.

Hi, it's great to be here.

So it's been a bit of a roller coaster 24 hours. We thought that we were going to be talking about

the fall out from this vote last night. MPs, conservative MPs mainly voting to overturn

the Parliamentary Standards Committee, letting their colleague Owen Paterson off the hook for now,

having been fine to break lobbying rules, but within the past 30 minutes we're recording on Thursday

morning, we've had a statement from Jacob Riesmog.

Last night's vote has created a certain amount of controversy. It is important that standards in

this House are done on a cross-party basis. The House voted very clearly yesterday to share that

it is worried about the process of handling these complaints and that we would like an appeal system,

but that change would need to be on a cross-party basis, and that is clearly not the case.

While there is a very strong feeling on both sides of the House that there is a need for an

appeals process, there is equally a strong feeling that this should not be based on a single case

or applied retrospectively. I fear last night's debate conflated the individual case with the

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