Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO late-night series Real Time with Bill Marl.

Okay, so here are the questions, Zach, are you encouraged by last month's ruling that

North Carolina's legislative maps are unconstitutional?

Yes, I know you spent a lot of time working on the jury-mandering issue.

Uh, yes, the...that sounds like a joke to the audience.

It is true.

It is true.

Yes, I'm very, very...

Who cares?

Well, North Carolina, listen, both sides have done it for many years, but I think in North

Carolina, it was so, so crazy.

So crazy, that people had to step in and say something.

Well, just to give the stats, I think there were 13 legislative districts, nine were Republican,

and the state was dead even.

Yes.

So, that, I mean, that right there.

It really is, the summary of what is happening there, its politicians picking the voters

Yes.

And that's all it is versus the other way around.

Right, I mean, it's a, you know, that's another reason why we have to worry is that the

Democrats don't have to just win.

They have to win so big to overcome the cheating.

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