Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO late night series Real Time with Bill Maugh.

Chris, we didn't get to talk about your book on the show.

What contributes to the racial disparity in policing in this country?

That's the topic of the book.

I hope people read it.

We tend to focus on police misconduct or police shootings.

And one of the points of the book is that that is a small fraction of an inordinate amount of interactions.

And in the past 20 or 30 years particularly we have changed the goal of policing

from essentially solving crimes to sort of preserving order.

The whole broken windows revolution that happens starting in the 1980s

is that police job is to prevent crime from ever happening, right?

As opposed to solving crimes when they do happen.

And what that means is an unbelievable amount of police citizen interactions

in particularly neighborhoods of color and poor neighborhoods.

And a huge amount of those end up in the sorts of situations we see recorded on videotape.

At the same time that that's been happening, we've seen homicide clearance rates in this country decline,

even as homicides have gone down.

So we have gotten out of whack in what we think of policing should be doing.

And it's sort of at the core I think of where we've gone wrong.

Interesting. Max, do you expect Trump to make good on his promise to take better care of our nation's military veterans

as the author of World War Z?

We want to know that, Anne.

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