Overreach and overreaction, with Susan Shirk
Sinica Podcast
Kaiser Kuo
4.8 • 676 Ratings
🗓️ 20 October 2022
⏱️ 67 minutes
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Summary
This week on Sinica, Kaiser chats with Susan Shirk, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for East Asia Pacific and Research Professor and Chair of the 21st Century China Center at the School of Global Policy and Strategy at UCSD, about how the deliberately collective leadership of the Hu Jintao years set the stage for the over-concentration of power under Xi Jinping and created conditions for overreach. She argues that Chinese overreach was met with American overreaction — not just in the Trump years, but continuing into the Biden administration.
11:35 – The thesis of Overreach and misconceptions based on the title
15:50 – The decline of collective leadership
19:57 – Selection process of politburo members
27:48 – The advantages of China’s former collective leadership system
31:40 – How collective leadership often lead to overreach
39:40 – How personalistic, overly centralized rule can also result in overreach
43:02 – Increased paranoia, insecurity, and “permanent purge” culture under Xi
49:59 – American overreaction to China’s ambitions
A transcript of this episode is available at TheChinaProject.com.
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Susan – Born in Blackness: Africa, Africans, and the Making of the Modern World by Howard French
Kaiser – His hobby of Asian archery and finding a community/activity you’re passionate about outside your professional line of work
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