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Zero To Travel Podcast

Overland Travel in West Africa Across 7 Countries (Part 1) with Gunnar Garfors & Jacqui Kunz

Zero To Travel Podcast

Jason Moore

Society & Culture, Business, Entrepreneurship, Places & Travel

4.6 • 866 Ratings

🗓️ 10 March 2026

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

What happens when you try overland travel in West Africa across seven countries using only local transport?  Gunnar Garfors is a Norwegian traveler, journalist, and author who became the first person to visit every country in the world twice. He is known for seeking out unusual routes and lesser-visited destinations, often traveling far beyond typical tourist paths. Jacqui Kunz is a full-time traveler who has explored more than 100 countries and was named “World’s Most Intrepid Traveler” in 2023, recognizing her commitment to exploring challenging destinations and traveling well off the beaten path.  In this episode, co-hosts Jacqui and Gunnar share stories from the first leg of their West Africa adventure across seven countries, covering Senegal, The Gambia, Guinea-Bissau, and Guinea.  They talk about what it’s really like to travel overland in West Africa, from chaotic border crossings and broken buses to incredible landscapes, unexpected friendships, and the patience required to move through the region.  If you’ve ever wondered what travel in this part of the world actually feels like on the ground, this conversation gives you a candid look at the challenges, surprises, and rewards of exploring West Africa slowly.  What kind of travel experiences become possible when you stop rushing and embrace the unpredictability of the journey? I'd love to hear your thoughts, and I hope you’ll share them by sending me an audio message.  Tune In To Learn:  Why traveling overland in West Africa requires a completely different mindset about time and planning  How local minibuses work, and why you may be waiting a while to get going  What it’s like traveling upriver in The Gambia to visit River Gambia National Park and see chimpanzees  Why going inland in The Gambia offers a very different experience from the coastal resort areas  How to navigate crossings, visas, and illegal stamp fees that travelers are sometimes asked to pay  What happened when their bus broke down and the driver abandoned it on a remote road  How unexpected delays led to shared rides, new friendships, and memorable moments with local travelers  Why Guinea-Bissau ended up being the biggest surprise and favorite country of the trip  What it’s like traveling through Guinea’s highlands on roads compared to a motocross track  Why slow, overland travel creates deeper connections with people and places along the way  And so much more  Resources:  Sign up for our FREE newsletter  Gunnar’s website  Gunnar on Instagram  Jacqui on Instagram  Want More?  9 Ways Travel Will Change You + Lessons from Cycling Africa and Visiting 95 Countries with Alex Hennock  5 Surprising Experiences in Africa, How to Transition to a New Career After Travel, and Exploring the African Diaspora With Jay Cameron  Adventure and Conservation - A 6,000 km Tuk-Tuk Journey Through Africa  Thanks To Our Sponsors  Earn Cash Back and rewards on nearly every purchase with Rakuten.  Go to https://surfshark.com/zerototravel or use code ZEROTOTRAVEL at checkout to get 4 extra months of Surfshark VPN!  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I think this part of the world really showed me that you get a very different experience based on how you decide to travel through it.

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Yes, absolutely.

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The good thing is that you get much closer to the locals, the people that

1:14.0

actually live here. You have a lot of opportunities to get to know people. It's definitely a lesson in

1:21.1

patience.

1:26.9

You're listening to the Zero to Travel podcast where we explore exciting travel-based work, lifestyle and business opportunities, helping you to achieve your wildest travel dreams.

1:37.6

Hello there, listener. It's always a pleasure saying hi to you here at Zero to Travel. My name is Gunagafos. I like to travel,

1:46.5

and I'm not the only one. And I'm Jackie Kunz.

1:48.9

Yeah, you also like to travel, yes, just a little bit.

1:51.6

I think that's why we're here speaking to a lot of other people that do like to travel.

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