I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about True

Crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator who's worked some of America's most complicated

cases and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling True Crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical True Crime cases

through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold. Very cold.

This is Bairied Bones.

Hey Paul.

Hey Kate, how's it going?

It's going well.

We talked a lot about Jeffrey McDonald and that was our first part and now we're diving

into part two.

Okay. Well, you know, I've got a little bit of wine with me, so don't judge.

I'm doing a little bit of day drinking right here, but I'm ready and let's hear it.

Good to know.

I'll go fast.

So let's do a quick synopsis.

So you have a 26 year old green beret surgeon, Jeffrey McDonald, who has reported that

his wife and his two children have been killed multiple stab wounds, lots of overkill,

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