Hi, I'm Bridger Weinegger and I host I said no gifts on exactly right.

Each week I invite my favorite people in comedy over for conversation and I tell them

no gifts, but every time they bring me a gift and then we have to talk about the gift.

It's infuriating.

You'll love it.

Listen to I said no gifts on Amazon Music Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson.

I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about True Crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator who's worked some of America's most complicated

cases and solve them.

Each week I present Paul with one of history's most compelling True Crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical True Crime cases

through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold.

Very cold.

This is Baird Bones.

Hi Paul.

Hey Kate, how's it going?

It's going really well.

I was thinking about you today because we talk about stress, we talk about relieving stress.

And I thought I'd share with, since we're still getting to know each other, I thought I'd

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