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Well, hello, everyone, and welcome to Family Talk with your host, psychologist, and bestselling author Dr. James Dobson.

I'm Roger Marsh.

In just a moment, we will hear the conclusion of Dr. Dobson's powerful interview with author Marilyn Hans,

as she tells how God relieved the herd of her abusive past, and that allowed her to let go of the shame

and the anger that she felt. Marilyn's husband Paul will also be joining in on the conversation

and he will share how her background created underlying pain that lasted actually into the first

few years of their marriage. As we mentioned yesterday, today's broadcast will discuss some

tough issues that may not be fitting for some of our younger listeners, so we ask for parents and adults to use discretion.

Here now is part two of overcoming the shame of the past on Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk.

Well, Marilyn, you really captured our hearts last time as you talked about the struggles of your early childhood,

especially in your relationship with your father.

And then your mother died when you were 14 there at the beginning of the teen period.

And junior high is a very, very tough time anyway, and especially for a girl to lose her mother in that way.

And you've talked about this abusive childhood.

First of all, I'd like you to tell us what the experiences that you described in your book,

Shamelifter, evoke in people. What do they say to you when you speak on this subject? Do they say

that's exactly where I am? That's what I've been through.

You know, I cannot believe how many people will say to me, I relate to your story.

I had a parent like yours, like your dad, or in some cases they had a mom like that too.

But I think the thing that surprised me the most is the many people that have said to me, your story is just like mine, except my father was an alcoholic in addition to being treated

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