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without the ads. This is the Tom Hartman program.

And greetings, my friends, patriots, lovers of democracy, truth and justice, believers in peace, freedom, and the American way, Tom Hartman here with you. Dr. Justin

Frank is on the line with us. He is the psychoanalyst and clinical professor with the Department

of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science at George Washington University, the author of Trump on the

couch, Obama on the couch, Bush on the couch, Justin Frank M.D. is his Twitter handle, which is

really worth following.

Dr. Frank, welcome back to the program, and thank you for joining us for a full hour for

conversations, great minds. I have a lot of questions for you.

Okay. If I could start out, what's the psychology behind creating fear? Why is it such a potent

force in America? Well, first of all, hi. Second of all,

creating fear is actually not exactly what's going on. It's tapping into fear that's already

there. It's tapping into fear in our unconscious, and everybody has fear.

We have different degrees, and we have different subjects about which we're afraid.

But when we were kids, we had night terrors that woke us up.

We were afraid of the dark, afraid of all kinds of things.

And as you grew up, there were phobias. There were people were

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