It welcome back to the Personality Hacker podcast. My name is Joel Mark Witt and I'm

Antonia Dodge. Joel, would you call yourself a perfectionist? I don't know if I'd call

myself perfectionist, but I definitely struggle with perfectionistic tendencies. I would

actually say that I'm more of an idealist than a perfectionist. Yeah. I've ideals that

I want to strive for and therein lies any perfectionism I'd bring into the into the world.

Do you find yourself incapable of moving forward when that idealism doesn't come to fruition?

Yeah. I think I deal more with disappointment than I do the inability to execute or do

something forward. I'm disappointed when my idealism can't be realized. I wouldn't

tell you perfectionist then. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm a little bit more of a perfectionist

than you are. Yeah. I don't think it has to be perfect. It has to be ideal. Yeah. I think

that's basically how I see it. Whereas for me, I'm actually not a perfectionist in most

ways, particularly anything that has to do with output, but I'm a perfectionist about myself,

like who I am and whether or not I as an individual, in acceptable to others. So we have we sent

out a survey to our community, to our audience, asking what are some of the topics that you'd

like us to cover? And I was surprised to see how many people wanted to talk about perfectionism

as a plight, as a challenge that they experience. And I started thinking about whether or not

either of us is, well, whether or not we have perfectionist qualities. I don't think

you and I are, we're not afflicted by the perfectionism bug, I think as much as other

people are. And that's in part because I think we've done a lot of work to move through

it by simply creating content and putting it out there. And if you want to get over perfectionism,

one of the best ways to do it is to create a bunch of content and then expose it to public

censure. And you'll get over perfectionism really quick. I would say though that I am worried

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