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Our goal here is to help your family become a multi-generational team on mission by providing you with biblically rooted concepts, tools, and rhythms.

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Podcast. Hey, everybody. Hey, we're here with the Cramer. and we can't wait to chat about all things family.

Podcast.

Hey, we're here with the Kramer's, Justin and Rebecca Kramer.

Thank you guys for coming on that podcast today.

Yeah, thanks for having us.

Yeah.

So Justin and I are part of a group called Integrated.

It's a mastermind that we do it through family teams about how to be dads and business owners and pursue the kingdom how to integrate all those things. And I've really enjoyed

getting to know, Justin, excited to meet Rebecca. And we wanted to talk about fatherhood. One of the

conversations we're constantly stirring up in that group is what is happening with this,

this concept of being a father.

And so I wanted to kind of dive into that with you guys today, discuss this a bit and

get Rebecca and Justin's thoughts on this. So I'm going to read this. This is called

Fatherhood No Longer Exists, Rather Dismal Title. I might have to work on that one, but anyway.

Yeah. Okay. Let's take a minute and consider this strange thought experiment.

Imagine if a man was locked into the role of a head coach of a college football team for 20 years.

But after year one, the team decided to stop competing for the championship.

So let's say the president comes in and says, we're not doing that anymore.

That's kind of a bummer. Let's say a few years later, the league announces they are no longer going to keep score at games. So now he's trying to

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