Hello, Outward listeners, happy Pride Month. Producer June Thomas here. As I mentioned last Wednesday,

this month in honor of Pride, we're going to be bringing you an episode of Outward every week.

You'll still get the biggie on June 22nd, but we're also going to supply some shorter snacks

of gay goodness along the way. Today, we wanted to share a conversation I had last summer with Joan E. Byron,

known to one and all as Jeb.

It was for Working Slate's podcast about the creative process.

And in the interview, Jeb discusses the creation, funding and printing of her groundbreaking

1979 photobook Eye to Eye Portraits of Lesbians,

which was reissued by Anthology Editions in 2021.

I hope you enjoy it.

Please join us next week for a delightful conversation

that Brian, Christina and Jules had about the big summer

rom-com Fire Island. Thanks for listening and stay gay, everyone. So who are you and what do you do?

Well, my name is Joan Byron. I also go by the name Jeb. I am a supposedly retired, but not really, photographer, filmmaker, and activist.

So I should say, before we start, that although our paths haven't crossed all that much in the last couple of decades, we knew each other back in the 80s in Washington, D.C., when I was on the Off-Farbacks Collective and worked at Lamas, I think.

And we were both dykes about town, but I also remember like filling in an official form every year so that you got a city press pass. So,

you know, we, and we were in the same kind of activist circles by then. But you weren't part of

the collective of Offerbacks. You were kind of an independent creator, right? Yes, I think it's

important to point out that through all my years of being a still photographer,

I never had any institutional support.

I never got grants or fellowships or any of that.

And all of my financial support came from within the lesbian community

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