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Outward: Conversion Therapy and Survival with Lucas Wilson

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4.22K Ratings

🗓️ 8 January 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Bryan Lowder talks with writer and scholar Lucas Wilson about his new book, Shame Sex: Survivors’ Stories of Conversion Therapy. They chat about Wilson’s experience navigating same-sex attraction while on an evangelical path, experiencing conversion therapy, and the complicated relationships he experienced along the way. He also shares powerful stories from other survivors and explores the enduring harm of these practices, offering a poignant look at resilience, shame, and healing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:13.4

Hello, everybody, and welcome to Outward Slate's LGBTQ podcast.

1:15.6

I'm Brian Lauder and editor at Slate.

1:20.8

Regular listeners will probably have noticed that we end every show with a little reminder or even exhortation, you might say, to stay gay.

1:24.6

We started doing this early on because we thought it was a cute sign-off, but also because,

1:28.8

as we all know, there are plenty of people and institutions that would very much like for us not

1:33.6

to stay gay or trans, that would like to see us change to straight or cis, or barring that

1:39.3

be erased from the world entirely. But that idea, frankly, sucks, and so we stay gay. On this week's show,

1:45.5

we're going to hear about one of the most insidious forms of anti-gay and trans repression out there,

1:50.6

the ideology and practice of so-called conversion therapy. In the book, Shame, Sex, Attraction,

1:56.4

Survivor Stories of Conversion Therapy, Lucas F.W. Wilson, a scholar of religion, literature,

2:01.1

and history, and a conversion therapy survivor himself, collects the testimonies of those who've

2:05.5

been subjected to various attempts to quash and supplant their queerness. It's a harrowing read,

2:10.3

but an important one now, I think, as we head to a second Trump term, that is already being

2:14.8

marked by increasing anti-queer in transactions, and where, despite

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