Hello and welcome back to Outward Slate's podcast about everything LGBTQ.

I'm Brian Louder, I'm an editor at Slate, and we are going to get right into things today.

No chatter up top because we have, as they say, a very special episode for you this week.

Our own Jules Gold Peterson is going to be in the hot seat.

Jules, are you ready for that?

It feels so different.

I'm very excited.

Who knows what's going to happen? This is an outward first for me.

Yeah, it might get wild. We'll find out. You are in the Hotsie because Jules has a fantastic new book out. It's called A Short History of Transmissogyny.

And though the title is sort of demure, this one packs a really remarkable amount of history argument and storytelling into its svel, like 150 or so pages.

I will tell you that just in reading it for the podcast is like expanded and at times like challenged my thinking about the subjects it covers, about the hatred, the fear of the tokenizing of trans femininity.

This seems to

pervade our world. And it's inspired me to consider, like, more deeply the relationship, especially

between trans femininity and like, quote-unquote, gay male culture that I hold very dear and talk about

a lot. So it's a really rich and important book, and I can't wait to honestly read it again and learn more from it because it bears that much attention. So we've got a lot to talk about in that. But first, I did just want to take one minute to acknowledge that we got some thoughtful pushback on our last episode about all of us strangers, Andrew Hay's new film. And we hear you. We are gathering those notes. We're going to respond to them soon in a future pod episode. So if you've got more thoughts about that, you haven't sent, please keep them coming. We love to hear from y'all, and we will be addressing that spicy feedback soon. Spicy but good feedback. Yes, very good. Sorry, yes. Much appreciated. Much appreciated feedback. We love to hear thoughtful feedback, and we appreciate it and take it seriously.

Okay, we're going to take a short break, and then we will be back to talk about Jules' fantastic new book.

So here's where I would normally give, like, a gloss on what the book's about and introduce the author, but that feels weird to me. So I thought we might, if you don't mind, Jules just turn it around a little bit. Jules, who are you? No, we don't have to do that. But what's sort of the pitch of this really fantastic book? I've got all kinds of questions about it, but I'd love to hear your just sort of elevator pitch about it.

Yeah, yeah. You know, this, I'll say this. This is a book that emerged out of concrete,

angst, exhaustion, anger of my own life, right? Yeah.

I had felt like, okay, there's this term trans misogyny that like trans women use or trans people, you know, use often at our own kind of in-group conversations.

But I kind of wonder just about like, what does that term even mean?

Where, you know, not where did the term come from, but what is it trying to capture?

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