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Atheists, agnostics, long-haired widows, short-haired widows, vand-roll, Oolagos.

Love the government, hug the government, hug the government, love the government, hug the government, love the government, hug the government, love the government, hug the government. Welcome to the politics, guys, a place for bipartisan, rational, and civil debate on American politics and policy. I'm Northern Kentucky University Political Scientist, Michael Baranowski. My guest today is Kurt Gray, a professor in psychology and

neuroscience at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he directs the deepest

beliefs lab and the Center for the Science of Moral Understanding. He's also the author of the

recently released book, Outraged, Why We Fight About Morality and Politics and how to find common ground, which we'll

be discussing today.

Kurt Gray, welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me.

So I wanted to start by doing something a little bit different by talking about someone

else's book, but I think it's important because I think you should set sort of the foundation

for talking about your work.

Because back in 2012, Jonathan Haidt published a book called The Righteous Mind.

In that, he argued that there are these six basic foundations of morality, and basically that

liberals and conservatives oftentimes have trouble talking to each other because they emphasize

different foundations or different aspects of these foundations. For instance, liberals tend to focus more

on what the height calls the care harm, fairness cheating, and liberty oppression foundations,

at least liberty oppression when applied to

marginalized groups.

And then you have conservatives who are more likely to emphasize loyalty betrayal, authority

subversion, purity degradation, and liberty oppression when it comes to, you might call it

...