A Big Week for Pardons and Executive Orders

The Politics Guys

Michael Baranowski

Politics, News

4.5 • 772 Ratings

🗓️ 24 January 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Mike and Trey open with their thoughts on Donald Trump’s inauguration and inaugural address. Trey considers Trump’s rhetoric, while Mike points out the typical Trumpian exaggerations and compares the speech to Trump’s 2017 “American Carnage” address. Then they turn to pardons. Mike is sympathetic to President Biden’s use of preemptive pardons for his family and officials subject to potential political prosecution, but Trey can’t get behind them because of the bad precedent they set. They both agree that President Trump’s pardons of essentially everyone involved in the January 6th Capitol insurrection are unconscionable and that President Trump should have at least made the effort to sort out those who committed violence from non-violent offenders. They close with a look at President Trump’s many executive actions on immigration and birthright citizenship, an issue that Mike argues is clearly settled law. Trey disagrees, pointing to a number of legal scholars who argue for a different interpretation of the 14th Amendment that might potentially convince enough members of the Court to allow his order to stand. Politics Guys on Facebook | X Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. You can support us or change your level of support at patreon.com/politicsguys or politicsguys.com/support. On Venmo we’re @PoliticsGuys. The Politics Guys is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:18.3	The government, hug the government, love the government, hug the government, love the government, love the government. Welcome to the politics, guys, a place for bipartisan, rational, and civil debate on American politics and policy.
1:22.0	I'm Northern Kentucky University political scientist Michael Baranowski.
1:28.9	I'm joined today by my conservative counterpart, Oklahoma Christian University political scientist, Trey Orndorff.
1:29.9	Thanks.
1:31.8	How are you doing today, Trey?
1:40.0	Well, I mean, we're a little bit pressed for time today, but otherwise, it's exciting to get to do the show with you for once. Yeah, I should mention Jay was scheduled to do the show with me, but he had a family emergency,
1:45.2	so he had a bow out. And this happened, I kid you not, less than three hours ago.
1:50.6	I texted Trey. He jumped into the fray. So he is here. And I'm very, very grateful that he was
1:58.1	able to step in on such short notice. So thank you very much, Dre.
2:01.6	Well, listen, I get to do all the fun Trump stuff. So I consider it a win.
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