Okay back to our season preview series and wanted to talk about a team that I actually find somewhat confounding I really

Interested to talk about them for now. I really try to wrap my head around them

I do think they're not gonna be that great

That's not a surprise when you're talking about the New York Knicks to necessarily but how exactly that's going to occur

Is what's actually probably more interesting to me and we're gonna bring in Jared Dupin long-time Knicks fan

You still a Knicks fan. Yeah, I have that sort of fatalistic bent to you at times. I would say I probably had that since like

Young adulthood the team hasn't really been good since I was like 14 which now is more than half my life by a not insignificant amount

There's the Halcyon 2012 13 season. Yeah

The East is big man

Shout out to my guy Mike Woodson forever trying to go away from what works

What a guy, but yet he was the most effective coach

They've had yeah in in quite some time for it's the Knicks have not been a successful basketball team

I feel like that's a pretty safe space to land on they've not been very good of late. Yeah, so and obviously 17 and 65 a year ago

How much of that is gonna carry over because obviously they did have a lot of charm

Do you think that has any predictive value for this team other than simply they're so nixie and that's the same

Castic character is kind of in charge, but from a roster standpoint

How much of what brought them to 17 and 65 is gonna remain this year?

So this is a situation that the Knicks were in not too long ago. They were 17 and 65

In I believe 2014 15. Yeah, yeah the Carmelo injury

Yeah, that was the worst season in franchise history the worst record at least in franchise history

17 and 65 and that summer was very similar to this summer in that the Knicks made a whole lot of changes

They had what at the time was their highest draft pick since Patrick Cuing

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