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I was once a made member of the Colombo family in New York, one of the five mafia, LaCousin, Orcester families.

And understand in New York, there was so many of us where we met people.

You know, we just knew how to deal with people. We knew how to get around people.

We knew how to make them our friends, but they were arms around them. Get them to do our bidding and they wanted to be around us.

You know, we didn't have to chase them. And then extended into all walks of life from the White House right down to the guy on the street.

So, you know, after a while, they come to us and, you know, maybe they need a few extra bucks and they trusted us and we started to play the game.

Which sport specifically were you involved in?

It really crossed all sports lines and we took bets. We got involved with players and personnel.

So, wasn't anyone particular sport?

To your knowledge, has the mafia had to influence on fixing games in these sports for the past 30 years?

Baseball, basketball, football, tennis.

Yes.

And the best way to fix a basketball game, get a referee.

Hunter fish, then you just need one.

Just need one.

And Tim Donahy's book, Personal Fowl, he claims that you guys had a few off-the-record conversations.

And you had two NBA referees on your payroll in the 90s, is that true?

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