Hey, everybody. Welcome to the McCrack Podcast. I'm Georgia at Sexton. Nick Houselman is somewhere warmer. He's taking care of himself. He's replenishing. We will be back on the Weekender edition. I have to assume, considering Nick's fascination with Jimmy Carter, that we will have a huge retrospective on his life and his career. You can go to patreon.com

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depend on your support. In the meantime, everybody, I needed someone to ride with me. I needed someone at Shotgun that, by the way, I've been meaning to talk to for a while on the topics we're getting in today.

And there was only one person who could go out and find.

And that is Carl Folk, a sociologist and director of the Institute of Unreality.

Carl, how are you doing, my friend?

I'm doing well. You know, it's that special time of year where nothing happens and everything happens, so we're there. We're there. And, you know, it's been, I'm trying to think about when was the last time we did a long-form discussion. We had a moment on election night back when Twitter was somewhere you could at least

kind of be every now and then for communication purposes. And we kind of unloaded on the unsuccessful

Harris campaign and the Democratic Party. But this catch-up, I think, is much, much needed.

And I've been looking forward to it since we figured out of time for it.

It's same here. All right, Carl, so we're going to go through a couple of breaking news items

that have been taking place over the past week or so. We're going to get in the weeds, which is what

we always do. That is how our friendship works. And Carl, there is no better person that I would rather speak to about this first topic than yourself.

Over the weekend, there was a weird schism that took place that has gotten some coverage in terms of sort of like let them fight Godzilla and Kong sort of coverage.

Yes.

But there's a lot to get into here and to get people up to speed maybe who missed this.

What occurred was that Elon Musk and Vivek Ramoswamy came out in favor of expanding the

H-1B visa program, which brings in tech workers from around the world.

This, of course, upset a large group of MAGA-based personalities, including Laura Lumer

and the other racist likes of her, who came out and said, why are we trying to bring more people

into this country?

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