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Hello. Hello and welcome to Spycaste from the Secret Files of the International Spy Museum

in Washington, D.C.

I'm Peter Ernest, the Executive Director of the Museum. I served for

some 36 years in the Central Intelligence Agency, largely as what is called an

operations officer or a case officer.

Every month we'll be bringing you interesting talks with visitors,

with authors, with others who have something to do with the world of intelligence

and espionage. Welcome back to part two. World of Intelligence and Espionage.

Welcome back to Part 2 of my interview with the legendary case officer, George Cave.

We will pick up right where we left off in part one.

George, that was a very interesting time

when you were in Tehran and as you know well,

the revolution would come again, another revolution in 79 when they

held when they raided the American embassy and held many of our folks hostage.

Could you see when you were there, sort of the seeds of that, what might come down the track?

Did you sense that?

Because the American intelligence community and the government took a lot of hits for sort of not foreseeing that,

not understanding what was going on in Iran.

What was your sense?

It's extremely difficult for governments to change policies.

That's the policy, but could you see, but it's another thing to produce intelligence.

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