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Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show with your host, Eric Mataxis.

Folks, welcome. I am really thrilled right now because I have as my guest for this hour,

my dear friend, privileged to say so. Oz Guinness. Oz, welcome to the program.

Well, thanks for having me back, Eric. It's a real pleasure for me.

Well, you have meant so much to me over the years, not just as a thinker and writer,

but as a friend, and I'm thrilled to know that you have a book out, a new book just now called

The Great Quest. I want to talk to you about it. The subtitle is invitation to an examined life

and a sure path to meaning. Many people don't know that you were singularly instrumental

in the creation of what we call Socrates in the city. Socrates, of course, said the unexamined

life is not worth living, which is the very heart of this new book, The Great Quest, that you've

written. But many people don't know that in 2000, which suddenly is 22 years ago, it used to be

way in the future. Remember that? Suddenly it's 22 years ago. But you were the one who encouraged me

to do what we ended up doing with Socrates in the city and the quote, of course, that I think I

quote every time I do an introduction to Socrates in the city, is the unexamined life is not worth

living. And so why don't we start there? Because you have written about Victor Frankel and you

write about him in this book, but this has been an issue for you. The question of meaning has been

important to you for many, many decades. You've written many books that touch on it. So

what should we, where should we start? Well, Eric, this book is for individuals who are searching,

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