The episode you're about to listen to was released back when the mere Christians podcast was called the call to mastery

Now if you love mere Christians, you're still going to love these older episodes because the majority of each

conversation focuses on how the gospel influences the work of our guests. With that disclaimer out of the way, please enjoy the episode.

Hey everybody, welcome to the call to mastery. I'm Jordan Rayner.

This is a podcast for Christians who want to do their most exceptional work

for the glory of God and the good of others.

Each week, I host a conversation with the Christ follower who's pursuing world-class

mastery of their craft. We talk about their path to mastery, their daily habits,

and how the Gospel of Jesus Christ influences their work.

Today's guest is Oz Guinness. He's the author or editor of more than 30 books, including a lot of them that you probably

read, The Call, Fool's Talk, and Carpe diem redeemed. Oz is a very prominent social critic. He's addressed audiences

worldwide from the British House of Commons to the United States Congress to the

St. Petersburg Parliament.

Oh yeah, and he's the great, great, great grandson of one of my heroes.

Arthur Guinness, founder of the Guinness Brewing Company, Oz and I sat down recently had a terrific

conversation about the surprising friendship between Arthur Guinness II and

William Wilberforce. Another one of my heroes that you probably heard me talk about many times before.

Wilberforce, of course, was largely responsible for abolishing the slave trade throughout the British Empire in the 1800s. We also talked about why a

rhythm of engagement and withdrawal is a key to redeem in our time. And finally we had a great conversation about why

Christians should be bold to carry quote the future key of history into our

places of work.

Please enjoy this conversation with Oz Guinness.

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