Orin Kerr on Carpenter
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🗓️ 29 November 2017
⏱️ 39 minutes
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The Supreme Court heard oral arguments Wednesday in Carpenter v. United States, a major Fourth Amendment case asking whether a warrant is necessary before law enforcement can obtain cell site data identifying a suspect phone's location from a service provider. Lawfare contributor and Fourth Amendment expert Orin Kerr discussed the case with Benjamin Wittes shortly after the argument.
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| 0:34.0 | Depending on the theory that the court adopts, assuming there is something clear enough, |
| 0:38.0 | you're going to see litigation over thousands upon thousands of criminal cases across the country, |
| 0:42.0 | challenging the record collection as being like the cell site records in Carpenter. |
| 0:48.0 | You're going to have just massive amounts of litigation. |
| 0:52.0 | And of course, may try to avoid that with the good faith exception. |
| 0:54.0 | They'll say this record collection happened before the Carpenter case. |
| 0:58.0 | The fourth amendment question is just on remedy grounds. |
| 1:00.0 | But it's going to immediately trigger incredible amounts of litigation, |
| 1:04.0 | assuming that justices have a hard time drawing a clear line as to what is covered and not covered. |
| 1:08.0 | That's always been Carpenter's problem. |
| 1:10.0 | What's the line you're going to draw and what are the implications? |
| 1:14.0 | You can sort of think of these cell site records as part of a constellation of maybe 200 or 300 different kinds of third party business records. |
| 1:20.0 | And if you're going to pluck that one out, which other ones do you pluck out? |
| 1:24.0 | And you could say, we're not going to tell you. |
| 1:26.0 | In which case, it could be pretty remarkable follow through if they do that. |
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