In the next five years, we're clearly going to have some kind of economic reset. People will get

poorer. What's your position on Trump's tariffs? Are they working? We should have them,

but you should phase them in. There are going to be obstructions. If you are somebody who wants

to do business in America, you need to start planning for that. If we want our economy to work well,

the way to make a lot of money in America is by making things in America. It's like the most interesting thing I've heard

in a long time. So you're saying that our economic model was not primarily an economic model

was an instrument of foreign policy. It was like the centerpiece of the global order, post-war

global order. It wasn't like designed to help the United States as much as it was to

preserve stability around the world. If there's any group to whom we should be focusing resources on,

it is families raising kids who are the ones who have been, I think, most squeezed by these economic

changes. We will have to pay for that. And the people who will pay for it are the people

who are earning a lot of money and don't have kids back here. I'd love that you said that out loud.

Hey. Orncast, thank you very much for coming.

So you've got a book called The New Conservatives, which tries to answer, I think, and we'll speak for you, the question, you know, what is conservatism? What is the Trump movement? Who's on what side? And probably not a better, it's not really an abstract debate anymore. It's like all of a sudden you find yourself, I find myself like on the same side as people with whom I don't think I have anything in common. So what's your definition of conservative?

That's the hardest question in conservatism, I think. And, you know, for me it comes down to a focus on what actually matters and sort of, you know, all of our policy debates are about the means. What should we do? I think at the end of the day, what defines conservatism and what separates it from progressivism is the definition of the ends. What do we actually think is the good life? What are we trying to

achieve? And I think for conservatives, there's a very deep recognition and belief that the

good life is about more than just the individual liberty and autonomy and consumption of stuff.

Obviously, we care about those things, too,

but that it is much more balanced against a recognition

that the well-being of families

and the conditions in which we're raising the next generation

and the strength of our communities,

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