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Optimism In Our Age of Anxiety

Offline with Jon Favreau

Crooked Media

News, Society & Culture

4.72.3K Ratings

🗓️ 28 March 2026

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Why fight for a better future if we don't believe one is possible? Why organize, why vote? Dr. Deepika Chopra, the "Optimism Doctor," joins the show to talk about the dangers of cynicism, and to explain how optimism is a more rational and democracy-safeguarding response to this political moment. In her new book, The Power of Real Optimism, Dr. Chopra argues that the outlook is neither a trait nor mindset; it's a learnable set of skills that even the most pessimistic among us can incorporate. And it’s an essential safeguard against the paralyzing, numbing effect our media ecosystem has on our brains.

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0:59.0

I don't know if you saw that Gallup survey in February. Oh, yeah. The fact that Americans are

1:04.9

literally at an all-time low in their future outlook. Yes. In more than 20 years. This is the lowest it's been.

1:12.0

And I think a lot of people stop and just say, like, well, that makes sense.

1:15.8

But what are we going to do about it?

1:18.1

Because you can't make a forward movement from that place of collective negative outlook.

1:26.1

And I think right now, like so many people are living in uncertainty.

1:31.3

There's heaviness and uncertainty.

1:33.3

We cannot make sense of most of the things personally and globally that are occurring.

1:37.3

And the brain, when the brain is full of uncertainty, it is in threat mode.

1:42.3

The amygdala is firing up. It is in threat response

1:45.7

mode. And when you are in that mode, your brain does something out of protection. It's not because

1:50.6

there's anything wrong with you. Out of protection, it starts filling in the gaps. And it fills in

1:54.8

the gaps with the worst case scenarios.

2:07.6

I'm John Favro, and you just heard from Dr. Deepak Chopra, a clinical psychologist known as the optimism doctor. We spent most of our time here talking about awful and raging news, both life in the Trump era and particularly on this show, the way that information hits us every second of every day through our phones and our feeds.

2:22.0

And all that makes maintaining a sense of optimism really, really tough.

2:27.2

I know that's true for myself.

2:29.1

And it's probably one of the most frequent things we hear from all of you who listen to crooked shows.

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