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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Optimism about America

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 7 May 2018

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

In a February 2017 column, David Brooks wrote about "the Fallows Question, which I unfurl at dinner parties: If you could move to the place on earth where history is most importantly being made right now, where would you go?” The Fallows question is based on the life and work of Jim and Deborah Fallows. Jim is a national correspondent at the Atlantic; Deborah is a writer and linguist. When Japan looked like the future, they moved there to watch it happen; when software was eating the world, they moved to Seattle and Jim dove inside Microsoft; when China was on the rise, that was where they made their home. It’s a reason, when asked, that I’ve always named Jim Fallows as one of my few must-read writers: His journalism is thick with a wisdom that only comes from having immersed himself in many, many different lives. Over the past few years, however, the Fallows have believed the story is happening, well, here. They came to believe that the story America is telling about itself to itself — a story of national decline, of bitter political polarization, of rural resentment and coastal elitism and tribal identity and spiritual malaise — is wrong. And so they got in their plane (yes, Jim is a pilot too), and they spent years traveling the country, trying to see it more clearly by seeing its places more precisely. It has left them with a sense of hope that feels almost alien in this age. Their new book, Our Towns, is a travelogue of this journey and what it revealed to them about America. In this conversation, we talk about the optimism it left them with, as well as what they’ve learned designing their lives around adventure and travel, why they spent their honeymoon in a work camp in Ghana, how to make life feel longer, whether our political identities are our true identities, why Americans hate the media, and the reason libraries are more important than ever. I’ve always admired the Fallowses’ for both their work and their wisdom, and it was a pleasure, in this interview, to get to explore both. Deborah's recommended books: Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville Journals of Lewis and Clark edited by Bernard DeVoto James's recommended books: Grant by Ron Chernow Sister Carrie by Theodore Dreiser An American Tragedy by Theodore Dreiser Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

There are failures now and always have been and the question is whether the

0:06.9

Resilient capacity of the country is still there

0:23.3

Hello, welcome to As a Clanchon the box me to podcast network. I am extremely excited about this show

0:28.7

When I think about the folks and journals and who I really admire who I always make a point to read

0:33.8

But also who I think when thinking even about my own career who I'd like to to be more like I always think of James

0:40.7

Fellows he and his wife Deborah fellows James is at the Atlantic Deborah is a linguist and writer

0:46.4

They are better than virtually anybody else in in the industry at always going and finding the story at moving at changing

0:57.1

Going to the place where the next thing is and immersing themselves in it so that what they write what they do

1:03.2

It always has the quality of

1:06.2

experience and of immersion and

1:08.8

Of wisdom

1:10.8

There are a lot of very good smart writers, but they're not all that many wise writers and and the fallacies have always been to me wise writers

1:18.5

They're new because our towns a hundred thousand mile journey into the heart of America

1:23.6

It is a book that is trying to track on American reinvention as James puts it a

1:30.3

Reinvention happening at the local level at the metropolitan level and being missed as we push our attention to the national level

1:37.4

I'm gonna say two quick things about this interview and then we'll get into it one is that a lot of this interview at the beginning

1:43.7

And I really enjoyed this is about is about the meta

1:47.6

Project is about the ways in which they have gone to find these stories about what the

1:53.5

Narrative is that our towns fits into and and I really really really appreciated their openness on that

1:59.5

The other is something that I think will come through in this, but we didn't say explicitly, but that I would like to say explicitly

2:06.4

If you feel burnt out by national politics right now if you look around and you just want to recede

2:13.4

If the whole thing just seems like a shit show to you because it is a bit of one

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