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At the beginning, you're just full of rage, no matter what. And what happened is that our society has just responded out of rage and desire for revenge

that for months didn't even come close to be satisfied.

And as a society we were blind to what we are inflicting on Palestinians in Gaza.

Yehuda Shal is the founder of a pioneering Israeli NGO called Breaking the Silence.

It campaigns against the occupation of Palestine, including by publishing the testimony of

Israeli soldiers, revealing the brutal ways that that occupation

is sustained.

And Mikhail Sfarad is an Israeli lawyer.

He's brought hundreds of cases challenging the demolition of Palestinian homes, the construction

of new settlements, and pushing for investigations of alleged Israeli war crimes.

You know, since October 7th, there are no journalists

that are allowed to enter the Gaza Strip.

No foreign journalists.

Israel has sealed the strip completely.

So all of these policies, when you connect the dots,

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